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Poe's lawvsGodwin's law

The short answer

Both are 'internet laws', but Godwin's is a statistical prediction about what will appear in a long thread. Poe's is an epistemic limit on what a reader can determine. One forecasts; the other forbids.

Side by side

AspectPoe's lawGodwin's law
Type of claimEpistemic limitStatistical prediction
AboutWhat you can knowWhat will appear
Stated20051990
Deliberately seededNoYes

Which one you meant

Readers who land here meaning Poe's Law rather than Godwin's law are usually searching for phrases like “what is poes law”, “is this satire or real”, “poes law explained”.

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Godwin's Law

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Which came first

Poe's law. 2 December 1983 — Jerry Schwarz's Usenet post makes the same argument 22 years earlier: submit satire without a smiley and do not be surprised if people take it seriously.

  1. 2 December 1983Poe's LawJerry Schwarz's Usenet post makes the same argument 22 years earlier: submit satire without a smiley and do not be surprised if people take it seriously.
  2. 1990Godwin's LawMike Godwin introduces it on Usenet as a 'natural law of Usenet'.

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